The Truth Beneath The Rose

...I'm afraid I can't say what I really think of this song without being attacked...

best not to say it because i'm a homicidal psyhco who loves this song

Mmmm...wonderful song. Every part of it. Does anyone know what the choir is saying at the end? I'm pretty sure it's Latin...I just don't know what the Latin words are. I could translate it easily if I knew it...but I don't

Ktsunami wrote:

...I'm afraid I can't say what I really think of this song without being attacked...

i think it's best not to say anything seeing as this is one of my favourite songs!

I am not sure what the latin is, now that you mention it! Will have to look into that...


I love this song so much, Sharon's voice is so gorgeous as always, and it has powerful meaning to me in my life. My faith is different from many people who claim to have the same faith as me...and this song's lyrics are just so applicable to me, it rings so true to me, that I can't help but love it.

i think they should have put this song in the Da Vinci Code

Definitely. Actually, Robert mentions the Da Vinci Code during one of their live performances of this xD I love it.

"If you've seen the Da Vinci Code...You should..."

But...the DaVinci Code was fiction. This song is about truth...so why does it apply? This song has a completely different meaning to me. The Da Vinci code is not something I concern myself with, though my art history teacher said it was absolutely ridiculous. However, music can mean to you whatever you want it to mean. It doesn't have to mean what the artisti originally intended it for. For me, it deepened my relationship with God, made look beyond the surfacey stuff that gets in the way of understanding who He is and what He is about. This song just brought back all my thoughts about how wrong the organized Church has been about so many things...not even consistent with what they preach. And it has challenged me to live beneath the surface, to live in truth and love. Because of course, in my mind, the Rose is Jesus. I don't know if that was how it was intended. But in one of my favorite hymns, Jesus was "Like a rose trampled on the ground". The things the Church did were horrible, treacherous things. The things Jesus did, and taught us to do, were amazing, and True, and life-giving.

This is what the song means to me...that even though I do not believe in the surface, the antagonistic stance of the church, I can still see the Truth, and believe it, and understand it.

I like this song, not overly keen on it though. Great lyrics

*resists the debate about Da Vinci code*

I love this song for me it sort of rings as an inner search for truth. Especially because I was raised christian, lost my faith in god, and am now a practicing pagan. So this song rings quite personal for me.

I have a newly found adoration for this song since the Black Symphony release. The guitar solos in there were PERFECT and they made the song sound so much better. And OMG the orchestra was brilliant.

The BS version is amazing. Made me have a new love of the song and the guitar solos were epic

I love the BS version of this song. I already loved the song and the meanings I can find in it. But the BS version makes me drool.

Even through the lyrics sound to focus on religion for me I still like it. I always have it on whenever
I play the Devil May Cry games.

This song took a while to grow on me.. I think once I understood the meaning, I really started to like it.

I love this song, it was sensational on TBS!!! I just love the intro to it and everything, it was a really clever song

NeonFishnets wrote:

Mmmm...wonderful song. Every part of it. Does anyone know what the choir is saying at the end? I'm pretty sure it's Latin...I just don't know what the Latin words are. I could translate it easily if I knew it...but I don't

Et est signum dies datus et tenebris
mea culpa acta est fabula pereo.

Apparently it's not a proper sentence..just phrasing?

I have a thing for this song at the moment

Deceiver-Of-Fools wrote:

NeonFishnets wrote:

Mmmm...wonderful song. Every part of it. Does anyone know what the choir is saying at the end? I'm pretty sure it's Latin...I just don't know what the Latin words are. I could translate it easily if I knew it...but I don't

Et est signum dies datus et tenebris
mea culpa acta est fabula pereo.

Apparently it's not a proper sentence..just phrasing?

I'll take that to one of my professors I can't translate all of it but one of my history professors is fluent in latin

mea culpa is "I Apologize" if I remember correctly

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I love this song for me it sort of rings as an inner search for truth. Especially because I was raised christian, lost my faith in god, and am now a practicing pagan. So this song rings quite personal for me.

Same here.

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Is it a sin to seek the truth, the truth beneath the rose?

I love this song, it's my favourite from THOE and the lyrics go with some of my beliefs about the church and things.

I always have The Truth Beneath The Rose going through my head when I'm trying to get to sleep. Subliminal WT messages It's a gorgeous song though. Ruud's guitar solo on Black Symphony

Yeah I love Ruud's quitar solo on Black Symphony

I TOTALLY love it!It`s my 3rd favorite song after Ice Queen and The Promise.It`s just..EPIC!my defintely fave from THOE...well i`m a little afraid of the lyrics but...it has a lot of meaning...and it`s one of the most beloved WT songs ever....who can`t love this song?

The latin at the end of TTBTR:
'Et est signum dies datus et tenebris mea culpa acta est fabula pereo'

Which means
'This is the sign given to the darkness.
It's my fault - the art is dutifully over.'

I should stop stalking the Offical Forum