The history discussion thread

KellieBent wrote:

I thought Dracula was really Vlad The Impaler.

Vlad The Impaler?I think it`s the same

Amairwyn wrote:

XxfrozenbutterflyxX wrote:

I love history,but not history class.My professor is scary.
I love european and asian culture,I found it very intersting.

Romania has an intesrting history,but here is the truth about Dracula:
-he wasn`t a vampire,the whole vampy thing coes from an english writer,I think Bram Strocker is its name.
-he was a king called Vlad Þepeº
-he liked to punish people by..can`t say ..it`s a crime
I`m glad Leia that you like Romanian history

I remember learning about Vlad from the history channel. But I'm never seen the Romanian spelling of his name before.

Yes that`s his spell name.the þ and º are diactritiques(??)and theire english equal are
º=sh(but i cant write Sharon=ªaron )
þ=tz[/quote]

Looking at Vlad the Impaler to where the spelling is a little easier to understand it's Vlad Ţepeş

Stoker did start the Vampire thing but he used not only Vlad Ţepeş but Erzsébet Báthory as inspiration for his Dracula

I've studied Vlad since I was like 9 and more recently started studying Báthory...it's like an obsession I tell you

XxfrozenbutterflyxX wrote:

KellieBent wrote:

I thought Dracula was really Vlad The Impaler.

Vlad The Impaler?I think it`s the same

Amairwyn wrote:

XxfrozenbutterflyxX wrote:

I love history,but not history class.My professor is scary.
I love european and asian culture,I found it very intersting.

Romania has an intesrting history,but here is the truth about Dracula:
-he wasn`t a vampire,the whole vampy thing coes from an english writer,I think Bram Strocker is its name.
-he was a king called Vlad Þepeº
-he liked to punish people by..can`t say ..it`s a crime
I`m glad Leia that you like Romanian history

I remember learning about Vlad from the history channel. But I'm never seen the Romanian spelling of his name before.

Yes that`s his spell name.the þ and º are diactritiques(??)and theire english equal are
º=sh(but i cant write Sharon=ªaron )
þ=tz

Looking at Vlad the Impaler to where the spelling is a little easier to understand it's Vlad Ţepeş

Stoker did start the Vampire thing but he used not only Vlad Ţepeş but Erzsébet Báthory as inspiration for his Dracula

I've studied Vlad since I was like 9 and more recently started studying Báthory...it's like an obsession I tell you

Wow Leia,you know much more about him than me
But thanks ,precious information is always welcome

Elizabeth Bathory is so interesting. Putting people in the iron maiden thing and showering in there blood from it. That sounds so grim

That wasn't the only way she killed people. She's the ultimate, blood thirsty psycho.

XxfrozenbutterflyxX wrote:

Wow Leia,you know much more about him than me
But thanks ,precious information is always welcome

It's the same name just spelled with a different alphabet. The one you showed us looks more like a cyrillic alphabet.

Well romanian alphabet isn`t cyrillic alphabet actually
Romanian,as a lunaguage is latin(like many countries from Europe),just we had to write in cyrillic for a long time(we stopped about 200 years ago)but we still have some particulary letters that come from slavonic/cyrillic alphabet

I know it's a bit different...and Romance not a slavic language unlike the surrounding countries. The alphabet still looks a little like the cyrillic to me because I'm so used to the English alphabet. I can say my name in Romanian and understand a few words...I do plan to study the language as well as the history.

Oh okay don`t worry about that But the most of the letters are similar to english alphabet thought,with small exceptions
Yes all the countries that are sorrounding Romania have cyrillic alphabet.(Except Moldavia Republic which speaks romanian too)
I can write in cyrillic alphabet(I learn it when I was in Bulgaria)but I can`t speak and.or understand bulgarian

I know some of the cyrillic alphabet due to taking classes on Russia. I can't really say anything in Russian but I keep a copy of the alphabet for reference.

oooh a thread i can love easily, sam your knowledge of eygpt is stunning and is an area im facinated in alot however i can never remember most of it.

I find school history on some levels dull (however the teacher i have is good) mostly it will concern areas im not fond of, jack the ripper was ok but too short an event, ww2 was entertaining when we studied the africa campaign in under 30mins and i hated the lessons on the holocaust for obvious reasons, it didnt help that i had been to auchswitz only 3 or so weeks before, however i know most of what i saw before i went. seeing is definatly a must for that topic there is a huge diffrence between reading and seeing, and no there are no birds there and yes if you stand still there is no noise there at all this was the only thing to take me by supprise.

other than ancient eygpt im facinated in the Paleolithic period of human history, as well as roman britain, the neploeonic wars, the history of japan and the use of torture and poisens throughout the ages. the first and last being my best subjects with the nepolionic being my third

My brother is going to Auchswitz in July for his History trip. I'm annoyed that when I was doing history 2 or 3 years ago they didn't offer this trip and now they do. I'd love to go and see it because I bet it'd be a really moving experience. Is it really haunting?

Most people know what it is, you go there expecting to see horrors and frankly the worst man has to offer, but really that is an understatment of it. Its not just the piles of shoes, glasses, pots, pans, human hair even clothes nor the photos with smiling faces in them its much more than that. Its as if when you walk in that place time hasnt moved on, its so quiet you just want to screem to break it and yet its not quiet your mind plays tricks with you you hear what you would expect to hear. It smells like you would expect it too even after 60 years and trust me its a god awful feeling. It really is one of the nastyest places on earth today, the memories make it that bad. There are parts i choose not to mention mostly because you have to see them to make it have the emotional impact and to try and put it into words would only lessen it. When i went i only knew one person on the trip as we were the only two from our school and we didnt know each other very well, but i think we did okbas for the weather it was very misty just like you always imagine it to be.

However there isnt just pain in this place not just destruction and death there is hope and freedom. Hope that one day man as a speciaes may learn that in the end killing throguh genocide, war and disagreement is wrong. That one day we can look back on our past not with shame and sadness but with joy, joy that we have learnt from our past and not just sit repeating it in new ways. Freedom from when all else seems to fade away into the night that we still are that free, able to say and think as we please. Its easy in places like this to feel sucumbed by the emotional wight, to question everything, that is a sin we have to confront it with open minds and hearts if we are to change.

Seems iv gone on a little again, this is one subject im not fond of but know an awful lot about, what i will say is if any of you get the chance to go to auchswitz go, it may be hard but what you can take away from it is life changeing, the down side is i cant look at any pictures of the place now as i can point out where iv stood and i hate that feeling. Im one person not even a very old person and yet i can dream of a unpredudiced society far removed from 1942 even from 2009 but its one mans dream, alone i cant change the world, together with others, one mans intitial dream can change the world forever.

Thank you for reading

I`m gonna love history now because no more tests
So does anybody know the history of glasses? (in a short summary)?

Wow that was really moving and insightful what you wrote Mat. Thanks.

Scares me though how much it might effect my brother as I'm the most protective person in the world. He has always wanted to go to Poland though and they're only going to Auchswitz for a day.

It affects people in diffrent ways, and thank you its far easier to write than to say.

My trip to poland was just to Auschwitz and the town of Oświęcim which the camp is named after, 2 in the morning to 1 the next morning. My first flight, i found i hate landing and at one point my partner on the trip wanted to take a picture of me kissing the floor back in england. we went with around 200 people from diffrent schools as well as the nine religious leaders of england, the arch bishop of canterbury is a very good speaker.

theres a page on off the bbc website i found after teh trip ill add a link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2008/11/14/kent_kids_auschwitz_feature.shtml

Oh wow. So it was a really big thing then. It really does sound like an amazing but moving experience.

My brother is just going with people from their school. I'm guessing 30/40 kids. And they are staying in Poland for 5 days. I'm not sure if he knows what he's in for though. I remember learning about Auschwitz but I guess they dont tell you the half of it.

it was both, they dont teach you the half of it in school the group i went with made sure you know everything, the guide we had in auschwitz itself was an amazing guide spoke excellant english and was very emotional and descriptive whilst reaamining human and making sure that you saw as much as you could in 7 hours.

and the final candle lighting we did at the end will remain in my memory for an awful long time, there arent many pictures that we took when we went and none of them have us in them minus one that has the back of my head we took the view that by using a camera you distaced youself by trying not to use your eyes, if yoy would like me to post the pictures in can just ask

KellieBent wrote:

My brother is going to Auchswitz in July for his History trip. I'm annoyed that when I was doing history 2 or 3 years ago they didn't offer this trip and now they do. I'd love to go and see it because I bet it'd be a really moving experience. Is it really haunting?

I'm taking a class on the Holocaust next semester. I've been to the museum in the US and it almost had me in tears.

LeiaLeFey wrote:

KellieBent wrote:

My brother is going to Auchswitz in July for his History trip. I'm annoyed that when I was doing history 2 or 3 years ago they didn't offer this trip and now they do. I'd love to go and see it because I bet it'd be a really moving experience. Is it really haunting?

I'm taking a class on the Holocaust next semester. I've been to the museum in the US and it almost had me in tears.

I've read a lot of books about the Holocaust, it's a topic that has caught my attention since I studied it at elementary school. Hitler was a cruel person...the devil I should say.

The books I read:
1History
2History
3History
4Anne Frank
5 Hitler's Ovens
6 The mysteries of the Holocaust
7 The myths of the Holocaust

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Since I like very much History I must tell you about something that happened in my country, it was terrible and that proves that Mexico isn't a country of democracy as the TV, radio and the newspaper states, it proves that the politicians could kill hundreds of students if something as big as the olympiads were near and some college and high school students crossed on the politicians way. I'm talking about the Tlatelolco massacre.
“This event took place during the afternoon and night of October 2, 1968, in the Plaza de las Tres Culturas in the Tlatelolco section of Mexico City. It happened ten days before the 1968 Summer Olympics celebrations in Mexico City, when the military and armed men shot student demonstrators. The death toll remains controversial: official government estimates place the deathtoll at 30, while some estimates place it in the thousands. Most sources, however, report between 200 and 300 deaths. The exact number of people arrested is also controversial.”
The meeting was at the Chihuahua building. It was a peaceful meeting where the student leaders were exposing their opinions about the bad government, they wanted a Revolution. The signal for the military to shot the students were some flares…the crowd panicked and started running to safe places, not everyone could escape. The Olympic Battalion captured the leaders, arrested and maltreated them.
They didn’t kill only students. They killed teachers, pedestrians, workers, kids…
Just because the government pretended that everything was okay here.
The next morning it was said that there were killed 30 students and there were 20 injured. Stupidness. Also was said that the students had provoked the military and the Olympia Battalion.
But the worse thing is that the authors of this massacre were never arrested. That’s the thing that angers me so much. Here in Mexico we can’t trust in our presidents. Politic is getting worse and worse. Now the PRI (The ones who made this massacre) has won the elections… again.
Seriously guys here is getting worse and now I’m afraid of that political party, I’m afraid that something similar happens because I study in one of the schools which were involved in that event on addition that my school is autonomous and the goverment wants to destroy it. Such a pity because from that school are the best profesionists and Graduates

I'm so sorry to hear that! I know the situation over there is bad, especially with the drug cartel and murders! And I know the government and the police doesn't do or give a shitfuck about anything because they're all fuckin corrupted and all they care about is putting more money in their pockets! They're all "una bolla de hypocritas y ladrones mal-nacidos!" I hope your family, yourself, your school, and community stay safe!

Thanks Roberto

Oh,that sounds awful Mary ,I hope you will overcome this

Thank You Cris

Saw this and thought Sam might like to read given her interest in Egypt http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8278375.stm

Thanks Quite interesting, they always got things wrong in those times when it came to mummies